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Religulous - Review

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Length: 101 min
Rated: R
Distributor: Lionsgate
Release Date:  2008-10-01

Starring: Bill Maher, Jose Luis De Jesus Miranda

Directed by Larry Charles
Produced by Bill Maher, Jonah Smith, Palmer West

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Reviewed by Josh Tyler : 2008-09-29 01:00:44
Early on in Religulous, Bill Maher throws up a bar chart illustrating the number of people in America who are non-religious. That number is 16%, more than blacks, more than Jews, more than numerous other minority groups who seem to have no problem making themselves heard and getting Congress to do their bidding. Maher wonders aloud why non-religious people are so underground, and why they aren’t having an impact on the national discussion. His film is aimed squarely at that 16% of the country, and almost no one else. His goal, and he clearly has one, is to give those people the motivation they need to come out of the closet and do something… before it’s too late.

Religulous begins with Bill Maher, standing alone in Israel at a place called Meggido; a worthless pile of rubble where many of the planet’s religions believe the end of the world will begin. From there, Maher pushes us into an intense, honest, and brutally funny discussion of blind belief, presenting the possibility that maybe we should all consider doubt instead. We follow him around the world, as he travels from place to place talking to religious people of different faiths on different continents. The surprising thing here is that even though Maher definitely has an agenda, his movie never skews into the realm of propaganda.

It’s not propaganda, because Maher isn’t running out and finding weirdos to use in smear tactics against the devout. Typically anyone trying to make a case against God goes right to the pedophile priests and the suicide bombers, but Maher makes it a point to focus on normal, reasonably sane religious people. He’s not stacking the deck in his favor, because he doesn’t need to. He talks to truckers in a roadside chapel, he chats with random, middle-class tourists at a Christian-themed amusement park. He talks to religious shop owners, small town preachers, televanglists, Jews for Jesus, fundamentalist U.S. Senators, Vatican priests, religious scientists, secular Muslims, gay Muslims, people in America, Utah (come on, we all know it’s not really America), Europe, and even in Jerusalem. Though those fumbling for an excuse to discredit him may claim otherwise, these aren’t extremists or lunatics. These are for the most part sane, rational, even intelligent people who believe something which Maher believes is insane.

Maher lets these people talk, but he doesn’t let them get away with fooling anyone, including themselves. He asks about their beliefs, and then refuses to follow the cultural taboos which demand he let it go when they say something ridiculous. He talks to them plainly and without fear, asking the tough questions for which religion, any kind of religion, seems to have no answer. Some of them get angry, most of them simply, and politely, shut down; their brains refusing to go any further when he brings up a point of view which might cause them to objectively consider their blind faith. Others, unable to cope with his queries, admit to being genuinely stupid, as did an Arkansas Senator who awkwardly excuses his flawed thinking by admitting that his job as an elected official doesn’t require an IQ test.

Maher doesn’t ambush any of these people, and I think that’s the key to why Religulous works. This isn’t a setup. He asks intelligent, well considered, extremely direct questions of the people he encounters, with each question leading to another, forming a discussion which while often extremely funny, is also almost scientific in its method. He’s not out to trap people or make anyone look like a fool, though if they do it on their own he’s not going to turn away. Sarcastic subtitles occasionally appear to turn up the funny, but it never becomes snide or condescending. Maher himself admits to a past in which he had religious leanings, and when he gets a reasonable answer to one of his queries, he’s willing to admit his own admiration and surprise. The smartest answers come, unbelievably, from a guy who makes his living playing Jesus dress-up. The movie frames itself from the outset as a quest for knowledge, and believe it or not, in large part that’s what it is.

To keep things rolling, director Larry Charles uses old stock footage between the moments of Maher’s encounters. It’s not meant as mockery, merely comic relief. I’m not sure Religulous needed it, Maher’s discussions alone will have you rolling in the aisles. But those random little asides provide breaks in the movie’s intensity, a moment to pause and consider, through the laughter, the truth of whatever it is you’ve just seen. Those inserts aren’t manipulative though, merely silly and Charles seems otherwise to go out of his way to give his movie a strange kind of transparency. The movie’s edited, yes, but Charles doesn’t shy away from showing us the scene around their setup. The camera crew shows up more than once on screen, and Larry Charles himself is occasionally heard, as if to remind us that he’s there, and he’s not trying to hide anything.

Religulous seems to know however, that no matter how genuine or factual or well thought out it is, it’ll never get through to anyone outside of that 16% referenced at the outset. So it isn’t trying. Bill Maher is not out to change anyone’s mind, just remind the ones who already know of how dangerously ridiculous this whole thing is. For most of the movie’s running time he lets the game come to him, delivering comedy and poignancy with an unwavering, steady style.

It’s only in the film’s big finish that Religulous steps back to where it all started at Meggido, and really gets serious. There, standing on that heap of religious rubble, Bill asks his audience to remember what they’ve seen, to look at the world around them, and realize where it’s all taking us. He calls on those skeptics in the 16% to stand up and be counted, to make their voice heard, before it’s too late for the human race. With an agenda like that, Religulous will likely cause a mental meltdown for anyone with a religious bent. But for the people Bill Maher is trying to reach, his message comes in loud and clear. If you’re in that 16%, you’ll be rocked right out of your seat, either from laughter or sheer incredulity. If Maher has his way, non-believers will see his film, stand up, be counted, and come out of hiding to say “I don’t know… and neither do you.”

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  1. james Says:

    In fully irony I say - "Ahem, brother."

  1. ohwilliejokes Says:

    i think this gonna shake the world.

    very funny, but cannot be hidden.

  1. GaryB Says:

    Please God I hope this movie is a success.

    Seriously though, I do believe in the judgment day, but I think it will be humanity who judges the idea of God. I'd suggest God put away cash for a good lawyer now while he's still got some street cred.

  1. anon Says:

    James, I think you mean "Amen". Though I must admit that your attempt at irony was deliciously amusing.

  1. Free Xbox 360 Says:

    hmm. That's interesting. Good article.

  1. Cypher Says:

    I don't know… and neither do you.

  1. graphicartist2k5 Says:

    gee, so bill maher has "bar charts" explaining who is not "religious". wow, i'm so proud of little billy maher. he finally figured out how to be more of a jackass than he already was. seriously, though, what in the blue hell does this guy think he's going to accomplish by coming out with a movie/documentary about atheists are teh best, and everyone should be an atheist? newsflash: there is NO such thing as an atheist. just the simple statement that atheists believe there is no God proves they do believe there IS a God, and that He does exist. let me explain. in order for ANY person to believe something doesn't exist, they must FIRST know that whatever it is they believe doesn't exist ALREADY existed. this is why atheists are so freaking mad all the time, whether or not they want to say it, because deep down in their deceived hearts, they KNOW God is there. by the way, how in the world is it possible for "humanity" to judge the "idea" of God, when God is the One who created ALL of humanity? who, exactly, do you think you are, garyb, that you can judge God, because by saying what you've said, that's what you obviously think. i bet you ANYTHING that when you're on your death bed, you're not going to be so gung-ho about judging God, or the idea of God, i should say. you won't even be THINKING about ways you can disprove God's existence, because you will be crying out to Him to save your soul. have you EVER heard the phrase, "there are no atheists in foxholes"? it's the truth.

  1. anonymous Says:

    graphicartist2k5,

    Replace the word "god" in your silly rant with the name of any fictional fairy tale character, and hopefully you'll see how ridiculous your argument is. It's a prime example of CIRCULAR LOGIC. For example:

    "We know every word of the Bible is true because the Bible tells us it is true!"

    or

    "In order for ANY person to believe The Tooth Fairy doesn't exist, they must FIRST know that The Tooth Fairy ALREADY existed."

    You fail on so many levels, and I'm not even an atheist!

  1. bleached_swan Says:

    graphicartist2k5 probably gave one of the most illogical arguments I've ever heard. If you're going to defend religion at least try to do it in a more rational way (I say the word "more" because I don't know if you can be fully rational when trying to defend something that tells you that not thinking about or doubting it is a great virtue). And the "death bed" argument is such a cliche. Everyone who knows they're dying wished there was something on the other end. Even if there is, it doesn't have to be God. But its all about perspective. If there is nothing after death, you'll feel the same thing you felt before you were born: nothing. The chills you feel when you think about "the void" there might be after death is just an auto conservation mechanism of the brain.
    As the main character of the tv show "House" said: "It's not about fun! It's about truth!"

  1. Ben Says:

    TO graphicartist2k5:

    I'd pray for you to come to a more logical understanding of reality, but what's the point. It'd probably be better if I got ahold of your therapist and had them up your meds for depression.

  1. dug Says:

    graphicartist2k5, you need to get some instruction in basic logic before you try to use it in public.

  1. aegis Says:

    Graphicartist, you may want to rethink your logic a bit.



    Newsflash: there is NO such thing as an atheist. just the simple statement that atheists believe there is no God proves they do believe there IS a God, and that He does exist. let me explain. in order for ANY person to believe something doesn't exist, they must FIRST know that whatever it is they believe doesn't exist ALREADY existed.



    Now, let me make a change or two:



    Newsflash: there is NO such thing as a [monotheist]. just the simple statement that atheists believe there is no [FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER] proves they do believe there IS a [FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER], and that [HIS NOODLY GOODNESS] does exist. let me explain. in order for ANY person to believe something doesn't exist, they must FIRST know that whatever it is they believe doesn't exist ALREADY existed.



    Now, I present to you a proposition: Do you or do you not believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster? By saying yes, you claim he does exist; by saying no, you purport your belief that he doesn't exist, which, by your logic, means he already existed. Starting to see the flaw in your logic yet?

  1. Jopo Says:

    graphicartist:

    Premise: "Atheists believe there is no God proves they do believe there IS a God."
    Wording: "In order for ANY person to believe something doesn't exist, they must FIRST know that whatever it is they believe doesn't exist ALREADY existed."

    Now, no.
    I'm not sure if you planned on passing that off as a legitimate argument, but you should probably take some logical fallacy classes to rectify your reasoning.

    You're confusing reality with fantasy. Using your rational, you would have to consider entities such as Santa and the Easter bunny as legitimate existing beings instead of leaving them in the world of fantasy where they belong; developed by the minds of humans, but none the less, non-existent as far as being an actual body of elements.

    I'm not denying the existence of god, I would rather state in conclusion that if this "God" does exist, its function would exceed our comprehension by such a margin that it becomes irrelevant in our day to day lives. I almost despise the fact that humans have reduced the force behind billions of years of chaotic and complex galactic miracles to such a trivial standing as being the referee of good and evil in the lives of mortals. Our history of fiction concerning his existence is so overwhelming, I find it ridiculous that educated human beings could fall victim to this line of indoctrination at a time when all religions have been examined at length, when all have been found unsound and false.

    "People are said to believe in God, or to disbelieve in Adam and Eve. But in such cases what is believed or disbelieved is that there is an entity answering a certain description. This, which can be believed or disbelieved is quite different from the actual entity (if any) which does answer the description. Thus the matter of belief is, in all cases, different in kind from the matter of sensation or presentation, and error is in no way analogous to hallucination. A hallucination is a fact, not an error; what is erroneous is a judgment based upon it." - Bertrand Russell


  1. Durr Hurrrrrr Says:

    "In order for ANY person to believe something doesn't exist, they must FIRST know that whatever it is they believe doesn't exist ALREADY existed."

    I DO NOT believe that a giant china teapot is in orbit around the sun.

    I DO NOT believe Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny exist.

    Therefore, by your logic (or lack therof), there *is* a giant china teapot in orbit around the sun, and Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny *do* really exist.

    Watching religious nuts trying to make logical arguments is hilarious. Idiot.

  1. Conrad Says:

    graphicartist2k5, you are clearly convinced that there is no such thing as an atheist, praise His Noodly Appendage! But how do you know you picked the right one? What if there's more than one?

    I wouldn't try to dissuade you from your belief in some god or another. You clearly need it. Good luck in life.

  1. antireligion Says:

    LOL @ graphicartist2k5. This movie isn't made for idiots like you, it's made for people who are already atheists. Atheism isn't a belief, it's simply not believing. Atheists don't gather in an anti-church to worship atheism; they simply chose to not believe a story about a woman who was formed out of a man's rib who doomed mankind by eating an apple that a talking snake told her to eat, until a zombie rose from the dead and told people that they would be saved by communicating telepathically to an invisible man sitting in the sky that watches everything you do and say.

  1. Jeremy Says:

    graphicartist2k5:

    "here is NO such thing as an atheist. just the simple statement that atheists believe there is no God proves they do believe there IS a God, and that He does exist. let me explain. in order for ANY person to believe something doesn't exist, they must FIRST know that whatever it is they believe doesn't exist ALREADY existed."

    Firstly, this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I consider myself an agnostic, but I personally think that no one can know if there is a God or if there isn't one, so I conclude that there isn't. I would simply like to note that you are never asked to prove a negative in rational conversation. I would also like to point out that me saying that I don't believe in unicorns, or leprechauns doesn't allow them to simply be placed into existence, nor does it state that they existed at any point in time. I don't like antiquating religion as a fairy tail, and I am only using these points as a metaphor. We merely state that we do not believe in a God to allow you the freedom of stating that there is one. Beliefs are changeable things, theology is a little harder to modify. I am not an angry person, nor do I want to justify Atheism (believe whatever you would like to), I would like to simply point out that your argument is incorrect in its basis.

    "this is why atheists are so freaking mad all the time, whether or not they want to say it, because deep down in their deceived hearts, they KNOW God is there. by the way, how in the world is it possible for "humanity" to judge the "idea" of God, when God is the One who created ALL of humanity? who, exactly, do you think you are, garyb, that you can judge God, because by saying what you've said, that's what you obviously think. i bet you ANYTHING that when you're on your death bed, you're not going to be so gung-ho about judging God, or the idea of God, i should say. you won't even be THINKING about ways you can disprove God's existence, because you will be crying out to Him to save your soul. have you EVER heard the phrase, "there are no atheists in foxholes"? it's the truth."

    It appears that the only reason that you hold onto God is for justification in the afterlife. Even being non-religious I know that this is not what religion is supposed to be for, you are supposed to help everyone, without judging, no matter what the outcome. If I were God, I would personally be offended that the only reason you chose to believe in me is because you feared death, and the uncertainty of what comes after. In the question of judging God, perfection is something that is always up for speculation, as it is different for everyone, this being the case it is up to the person to conclude wither their God is perfect, this simple fact that you conclude that he is perfect means that you have already made this conclusion, and therefore have judged the very God you are condoning us for judging. On my death bed (and after, if there is one) I will not change my belief structure, and even burning in Hell I will now that I am there because I am a rational person, and cannot except something based on faith, even if the outcome is staring me directly in the face.

  1. Jeremy Says:

    graphicartist2k5:

    "here is NO such thing as an atheist. just the simple statement that atheists believe there is no God proves they do believe there IS a God, and that He does exist. let me explain. in order for ANY person to believe something doesn't exist, they must FIRST know that whatever it is they believe doesn't exist ALREADY existed."

    Firstly, this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I consider myself an agnostic, but I personally think that no one can know if there is a God or if there isn't one, so I conclude that there isn't. I would simply like to note that you are never asked to prove a negative in rational conversation. I would also like to point out that me saying that I don't believe in unicorns, or leprechauns doesn't allow them to simply be placed into existence, nor does it state that they existed at any point in time. I don't like antiquating religion as a fairy tail, and I am only using these points as a metaphor. We merely state that we do not believe in a God to allow you the freedom of stating that there is one. Beliefs are changeable things, theology is a little harder to modify. I am not an angry person, nor do I want to justify Atheism (believe whatever you would like to), I would like to simply point out that your argument is incorrect in its basis.

    "this is why atheists are so freaking mad all the time, whether or not they want to say it, because deep down in their deceived hearts, they KNOW God is there. by the way, how in the world is it possible for "humanity" to judge the "idea" of God, when God is the One who created ALL of humanity? who, exactly, do you think you are, garyb, that you can judge God, because by saying what you've said, that's what you obviously think. i bet you ANYTHING that when you're on your death bed, you're not going to be so gung-ho about judging God, or the idea of God, i should say. you won't even be THINKING about ways you can disprove God's existence, because you will be crying out to Him to save your soul. have you EVER heard the phrase, "there are no atheists in foxholes"? it's the truth."

    It appears that the only reason that you hold onto God is for justification in the afterlife. Even being non-religious I know that this is not what religion is supposed to be for, you are supposed to help everyone, without judging, no matter what the outcome. If I were God, I would personally be offended that the only reason you chose to believe in me is because you feared death, and the uncertainty of what comes after. In the question of judging God, perfection is something that is always up for speculation, as it is different for everyone, this being the case it is up to the person to conclude wither their God is perfect, this simple fact that you conclude that he is perfect means that you have already made this conclusion, and therefore have judged the very God you are condoning us for judging. On my death bed (and after, if there is one) I will not change my belief structure, and even burning in Hell I will now that I am there because I am a rational person, and cannot except something based on faith, even if the outcome is staring me directly in the face.

  1. FSM Says:

    Thanks for the review ~ I will certainly be checking out the movie. It's always good to test one's beliefs with criticism. I urge graphica
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  1. Trainrek Says:

    Ya know something???

    God did not invent man, man invented God in an attempt to explain what he could not explain many thousands of years ago. Long before the idea and implementation of any form of Monotheistic religion, mankind first began to worship varying different spirits or Gods from a purely Polytheistic perspective until the entire civilized world did as such.

    Somewhere along the line things changed though, and POOF the one God as we know him (her actually!) was created...

    Problem is...

    We had to get the idea from SOMEWHERE...

    Personally, I'm a Buddhist Baptist (Try saying THAT three times fast), and after 30 years of life, I've doubted, questioned, and outright tried to deny any and every part of any Christ based religion.

    Fortunately for me, Baptists are free to think for themselves and interpret the bible from their own perspective for themselves. Simply put, the bible was NEVER meant to be an instruction manual, but rather a general guide.

    I think that Bushtard Graphic has simply forgotten the FACT it may be the WORD of God in the Bible, but it was written and interpreted by MAN, and who here of ANY faith would EVER try to claim they are speaking directly for God?

    Simply put, IMHO: Creationism is Bushsh*t, Stephen Hawking is a f*cking moron, and anyone who ever tries to tell you God and Quantum mechanics can't co-exist never tried thinking outside the box.

    Me? I got to a point in my life after questioning everything as my life when from bad, to worse, straight to pure suck, only to start seeing reality itself do sh*t ain't NOBODY ever seen do before. And includes the dozens (probably hundreds by now) of witnesses who sat there and watched it WITH me...

    In short, once you start thinking for yourself, you come to realize there never was a box to begin with.

    As for Graphic, wellll, what can I say? People like him do nothing more than re-enforce negative stereotypes, instead of trying to break them.

    When you break it down, we were given a choice of whether or not to believe, and whatever your choice, it's all good in MY book.

    And because I'm ALSO a man of science and all things sub-atomic, I STILL hold onto the POSSIBILITY there really IS no God, but I choose to believe because my personal experiences in life leave me 'little choice' in the matter.

    He WAS half right about ONE thing though...

    Why should I ever listen to my body, my mind, or EVEN my heart?

    When all I ever need do is listen to my soul!

  1. anonymous Says:

    good point graphicartist2k5.

    there is no movement to disprove the existence of the tooth fairy because everybody knows it doesn't exist.

    YOu are wrong with circular logic because your understanding of what we (Catholics) believe is already wrong. The Bible is true not because the Bible says its true but because the Church did. Sacred Tradition verifying Sacred Scriptures.

  1. artfulideas Says:

    @graphicartist2k5

    Let me just say that Ive faced near death, (severe neck injury from assault from knife) and I didnt turn to god or back down on my athiest beliefs at all while bleeding to death. I definitely did not 'cry out to HIM to save my soul' lol

    To do so would have been cowardice, as it would have been if I were dying for any reason, at any time.
    Same for anyone else.

  1. Andy Says:

    ^graphicartist2k5
    I think that atheists are are just as ignorant as religious people. Neither can prove anything either way. Thats why im agnostic....hahahahaha
    I dont know...and NEITHER DO YOU!!!!!!
    blindfaith sheep FTL^

  1. dspencer Says:

    @graphicartist2k5

    I take it you are not one of the 16%.

    Your whole atheist must believe in god argument is absurd. I don't believe that there is a talking pink bird that lives in my pants but by your logic, it must exist.

    I am sick of hearing the statement "there are no atheists in foxholes" I was a UN peacekeeper in Bosnia. While I was being shot at there I never prayed to god. I knew the only thing getting me out alive was me or my comrades.

    I would like to go on for hours but I have learned that your dogma is much much more powerful than my logic.

  1. Mordy Says:

    "Atheist: One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods."

    If I knew of a better word to describe how utterly ridiculous I find the whole concept of religion then I'd use it.

    It was a useful mind-trick to get us out of the dark-ages but I kinda think we can move on now. I don't commit evil acts because I've got a mind and I know that they're wrong...I don't need to imagine that there's a big bully in the sky who'll punish me just to keep me in line.

  1. jesuschrist Says:

    hahah good one graphicartist2k5, that was good!

  1. Justin Says:

    So I have to believe that Leprechauns exist before I believe that Leprechauns don't exist?

    Facepalm.jpg

  1. graphicisatool Says:

    Dear Mr. Graphic2k5,
    I think you're a troll. But I'll feed you anyway.
    Using visual aids to explain a demographic does not make one a jackass. When I say "I do not believe that there is a magical teacup orbiting the sun," that does not make the teacup real. Atheists are mad not because of their lack of faith, but because of people like you. I'm assuming GaryB's subtlety was lost on you, we'll leave it at that. And finally, as already noted before in the world, the fact that foxholes aren't conducive to atheism is not an argument against atheism. It's an argument against foxholes. I mean honestly, do you really want to make an argument along the lines of "Well, I know god exists because when I'm about to get my face blown off and I'm wetting myself in terror, its nice to make some good use of my imagination..."

  1. Baron von Knifty Says:

    When christians threaten non-believers with the lines, “God will judge you,” or “You will burn in hell forever” they don’t realize that those statements mean absolutely nothing to the Atheist. But christians must live their entire life with the threat of eternal damnation. So, to all you christians out there, don’t screw up!

    If you agree to a recent poll that 84% of the people in this country respect a god, then you would have to agree that the reason this country is so morally corrupt is because 84% of the people in this country respect a god.

    Atheists are the true favorites of god, because if god expects his followers to pray and kowtow to him, or follow his commandments and attend rituals, god puts no such requirements on the Atheist, who he also created.
    Therefore god must trust, love and believe in the Atheist most of all.

    If there are no Atheists in foxholes, then you can bet it was religion that started the war in the first place.


  1. pseudus Says:

    @graphicartist2k5 - you sound like Sara Palin in a Katie Couric interview. Your explanantion/proof/bunch a bs does no more than illustrate your ignorance and lack of tolerance for a viewpoint you don't understand. If you would have read the entire review, or at least comprehended it, you would have understood that the point wasn't "atheists are teh best, and everyone should be an atheist" it was to support the growing atheist movement in this country. The point of this movie is to illustrate how the arguments of religion and blind faith breakdown when put to the test of rational debate and scientific fact. Your argument that you have to believe there is a god before you can believe there isn't is both foolish and incorrect. To believe that something doesn't exist is a response to someone else believing it does. Besides, most atheists, were indoctrinated with some sort of religious belief early in their life, but as that got older and wiser and started to think for themselves, they saw the fallacies of it all.

    One last thing, a quote for ya: "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen Roberts

  1. Whodi Says:

    graphicartist2k5: I implore you - please, please, never ever reproduce.

  1. Lalala Says:

    hahahahaha the films slogan "I don't know... and neither do you" would be great if that's what atheists said but i have never in my life heard an atheist say that i've heard "god can't exist and if you think he does your a moron" atheists are never willing to even consider the other sides argument. He says this isn't propaganda that's exactly what it is nothing from a big media company is ever anything but propaganda what if someone shut Maher down would he show it? no he'd edit it out to make himself look infallible.anyway that's all the time i have to waste on this movie.

  1. MR.X Says:

    Great article of Religulous. I really hope more Atheists make there voices heard. I have also been trying to notice when candidates mention God and what not in the presidential election.

    I really think so many politicians wear their religious life on there sleeve because the religions people are so vocal where the non religious people are no where near as vocal.

    I can see the trend of more people looking for an Atheist president continue to grow.


    I really hope more than anything though that more people see this movie. I know Americans dont usually seek out documentary style movies but I really hope they seek this one out and IOUSA.

    I will be seeking this one out.
    And on a side note graphicartist2k5 make ridiculous points. Way to argue your point like 5 year old.

  1. question Says:

    @graphicartist2k5

    Going with your logic and saying that god doesn't exist means he would have had to existed at one point in time right? But how can I say that a small polka-dotted elephant does not exist in my house? So by your logic at some point in time that a small polka-dotted elephant would have had to exist in my house? Of course we both know that isn't possible. And if it is possible I would need some proof of this. Me writing down in a book that I have a small polka-dotted elephant in my house does not count as proof.

    You should check out this site. It has your name written all over it.
    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    Oh...and BTW. When I'm on my death bed I won't be begging for forgiveness from anybody. That includes god, Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, or any other imaginary character. The reason is I've lived a good life and made myself a better person throughout my life. I don't need fairy tales and fear of an imagined god to dictate how I live. Although 84% of the people in this country seem to need that which to me indicates a lack of understanding of how things actually work in this universe.

    I'm not trying to ridicule you graphicartist2k5, but my only request is for you to genuinely and logically analyze your faith. I'm not saying for everyone to jump ship from their faiths and go straight to atheism, because I'm not sure anyone has ever really done that. I'm sure most in this country were brought up with a religious upbringing. As life went on some began to question the world around them and weren't satisfied with the answer of religion. So many, such as myself went from believing to being agnostic. All that is is doubt really. Doubt is good especially when you question things. Just keep asking yourself questions.

    I'll leave you with my favorite quote...

    "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen Roberts

  1. Cary Says:

    Ah "graphicartist2k5", spoken like a true believer. You might want to brush up on your facts. I don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny and because I don't believe they exist, that does not mean that once existed. Its this insane kind of behavior that makes most believers look like absolute idiots. Of course it doesn't help that you write and punctuate like my 6 year old. Might want to brush up on the english language and punctuation if you want to actually come off as credible.
    Bill, can't wait to see this movie!

  1. glytch Says:

    Graphic:

    You are the typical incredulous religious fanatic. Let me clear something up for you... Atheism is not the anger at god and the confusion about how to deal with him. That's agnosticism. Atheism is the BELIEF THAT THERE IS NO GOD. As Penn said, it's easy to not believe in god. Just like its easy to believe I don't have a full grown elephant closed in the trunk of my Civic: It's simply impossible. Atheists look at the rest of the world and all the interreligious fingerpointing about who is right and wrong and laugh about how insane most people are.

    As for your statement about not believing something you have to already have believed in it. What about flying horses? The flying spaghetti monster? Magical wizards riding dragons with lightning shooting from their eyes? All of these things I KNOW do not exist and have known that since I was old enough to have a rational thought. To atheists, god is grouped in with all other totally illogical, mythical creatures.

    Atheists are not all angry. I am a very happy, well rounded guy. I love each and every day. I appreciate life and all interactions I have (yes even the painful ones). I would go so far as to say I appreciate it even more than many religious people. I look at life as the best thing that could possibly happen to me. I don't hold out for some "after" life where everything is perfect and I get to do whatever I want and see everyone I care about. I see people I care about when I can and remember those I've lost fondly because that is how I honor them. Also, I do not fear that I will be lit on fire over and over again for all "eternity" by things with pitchforks and funny tails... Honestly, believe me, I do not fear that. This is not some case of denial...

    I take a step many atheists take and consider religion DANGEROUS. The sincere belief that you will be rewarded for killing others to spread the mythical word is a DANGEROUS concept. You can point at the muslims all you want, but christians are right up there... Religion is a problem and reality in the answer. Not the hypothetical reality of some old man in the sky who apparently has bi-polar disorder judging from the old and new testament swing, but actual physical, tangible reality. This is where every day, I look around me and see people, good people, in bars, restaurants, law offices, and walking the streets and I say to myself "Ok, here is what we have to work with. Here is as good as it gets. We have to make the difference people. Nothing else will work."

  1. bill maher Says:

    graphicartist2k5:

    "n order for ANY person to believe something doesn't exist, they must FIRST know that whatever it is they believe doesn't exist ALREADY existed."

    *slaps forehead*

    if you can come up with this then i don't think there's hope left for you

    i don't believe santa claus exists
    i don't believe unicorns exist
    i don't believe there exists a penis sticking out of graphicartist2k5's forehead

    wait. in order for to believe these things don't exist i must first believe they already exist. so i guess im stuck.

  1. Warren Says:

    By your reasoning graphicartist2k5 there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster(http://www.venganza.org/) out there, as in denying that there isn't is proof that there must be. If denying an entity meant it existed we would be knee-deep in fairies and goblins.

  1. on and on anon Says:

    @anon:

    Ahem, I think James meant exactly what he said as he said it.

  1. Ben Says:

    Yeah someone is just trying to cash in on a little controversy. If he really is trying to encourage the atheist uprising go interview some atheists who aren't uprising, don't just give them some religious people to laugh at, because God knows that's gonna score you points in Washington.

  1. graphicartist2k5hasaids Says:

    Graphicartist2k5 is an idiot, fucks babies and has AIDS.

    In order to deny the existence of something, you only have to have someone claiming it exists. Your premise is absolutely wrong and completely flawed, which is a perfect example of the idiocy of religious fundamentals. Enjoy your intellectual prison.

  1. angryatheist Says:

    graphicalartist has his biblical underoos on a little too tight today. To say something exists doesn't necessarily mean it existed in the first place... you are a retard to believe such a thing.

    Example:

    A two headed gobbly eared spiderman turtle dove never existed. I say that completely knowing that the damn thing never existed... and yet according to your ridiculous logic to say that it doesn't exist must mean that it existed.

    I could do that for an infinite number of times and still make you look very stupid. There is no god. Stop living in fear and just enjoy life. When you die, that's it. Turn off the lights the party is over. No pearly gates. No judgment, no rapture none of that crap.

    You'd do well to read some Richard Dawkins and educate yourself because your ignorance bleeds through your writing.

    If there was a god, why in the hell would it make such a screwed up creature as a human? That shows complete ignorance of your creator in my not so humble opinion.

    God was created to appease the genetic tendency toward religiosity. You believe because your simple little mind wants you to. You're still stuck in a sort of Cro-magnon phase of "belief"... You need enlightenment.

    And there's no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole because they don't dig them anymore... they dig ranger graves instead. ;)

  1. CrazyReligousZealot Says:

    GraphicArtist2k5,

    So you are in essence saying that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real (which I find obvious, I see him everywhere)? You are saying that if you argue The One True Noodle is not real that makes him real. So welcome to the community. We usually don't let psycho's like you in but I'll let him know you are a recent convert. May pasta be with you.

    RAmen!

  1. Bruce Says:

    Wow! graphicartist2k5 just proved that Santa Clause exists! Merry Christmas!

  1. nontheist Says:

    You don't need to see the movie if you don't want to. I don't believe that atheists believe there is a god. They acknowledge that some people believe there is but don't believe there is. All that is required for atheism to exist is some people's idea of a god. Also, there are atheists in foxholes - check out http://www.atheistfoxholes.org/, for just one piece of evidence.

  1. smarterthanyou Says:

    So, by graphicartists's logic:

    "in order for ANY person to believe something doesn't exist, they must FIRST know that whatever it is they believe doesn't exist ALREADY existed"

    then unicorns must exist because I've heard of them (and purple spotted cows, etc). I know one thing for certain...ignorance exists.

  1. Hugo Says:

    "gee, so bill maher has "bar charts" explaining who is not "religious"."

    Point being?


    "wow, i'm so proud of little billy maher. he finally figured out how to be more of a jackass than he already was."

    ad hominem

    "seriously, though, what in the blue hell does this guy think he's going to accomplish by coming out with a movie/documentary about atheists are teh best, and everyone should be an atheist?"

    Sane up America, probably.

    "newsflash: there is NO such thing as an atheist."

    Results 1 - 10 of about 19,000,000 for atheist [definition]. (0.14 seconds)



    "just the simple statement that atheists believe there is no God proves they do believe there IS a God, and that He does exist. let me explain. in order for ANY person to believe something doesn't exist, they must FIRST know that whatever it is they believe doesn't exist ALREADY existed."

    The Flying Spaghetti Monster exists because I can think of him. Brilliant!

    In related news, pigs fly. I can imagine pigs with wings.

    "this is why atheists are so freaking mad all the time, whether or not they want to say it, because deep down in their deceived hearts, they KNOW God is there."

    How knowledgeable you are, affirming with so much certainty you know what others think.

    "by the way, how in the world is it possible for "humanity" to judge the "idea" of God, when God is the One who created ALL of humanity?"

    by the way, how in the world is it possible for "humanity" to judge the "idea of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, when His Noodliness created ALL of humanity?

    "who, exactly, do you think you are, garyb, that you can judge God, because by saying what you've said, that's what you obviously think."

    who, exactly, do you think you are, internet stranger, that you can judge the Flying Spaghetti Monster, because by saying what you've said, that's what you obviously think.

    "i bet you ANYTHING that when you're on your death bed, you're not going to be so gung-ho about judging God, or the idea of God, i should say. you won't even be THINKING about ways you can disprove God's existence, because you will be crying out to Him to save your soul. have you EVER heard the phrase, "there are no atheists in foxholes"? it's the truth."

    Mind sharing details with us? How many times have you seen this happening? You might be able to get away by saying shit and not having to prove it, that usually doesn't work with rational people, though.

    Oh and guess, atheists tend to be rational. I suspect you can't see the connection here, however.

  1. unicornsRreal Says:

    graphicartist2k5,

    Use your same argument, but insert "unicorns" in place of "God".

  1. Brenden Says:

    Graphicartist,

    I don't believe in god. Jesus is a myth. I deny the holy spirit.

    Get it through your head, there are people out there who believe in your god just as much as you believe santa comes down your chimney every christmas. Or maybe they haven't told you yet?

  1. c Says:

    wouldn't he be considered more agnostic than atheist with an "I don't know" phrase?

  1. smartepantz Says:

    I love how the religious love to use the phrase there is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole. Everyone has doubt, atheists may have doubt in what they believe from time to time, but so do religious people. Just because there may be doubt doesn't mean a god exists.

    Even mother Theresa one of the most devout, god "hearing" people in the world had a 5 year period where she didn't believe god existed.

    Atheists aren't hate mongers, there is no need to insult what forces you to doubt what you've blindly believed for all of your life.

    Don't hate appreciate, and think instead of blindly following, otherwise your no better than a Nazi.

  1. Heteroclite Says:

    Religion is not the issue. It's what we believe in that's the issue.

    Religion is as religion does. "Thou art God"... Robert Heinlein & www.roth-church.org.....

  1. Jacob Says:

    Wow, graphicartist, where did you come up with such a stunningly logical argument that apparently proves that atheists, despite their own convictions, believe in God?

    Please, could you not conjure another extremely logically flawed argument that completely proves that most adults believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. And that all Christians believe in Zeus, Allah, Buddha, Odin and the thousands of other gods in the world?

  1. Tyler Says:

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Ah hahahahahaha... Graphicartist2K5's post is awesome.

    He uses some of the worst logic I've ever heard of to show why Bill Maher's attack on faulty logic is bad. Priceless.

    Graphicartist, according to you "logic", anything I talk about, even if I make it up from thin air, must have already existed for me to possibly have the idea? This is like a retarded mans version of the Ontological argument for the existence of God only without the logic and intelligence.

    Thank you for proving every atheists point.

  1. smartepantz Says:

    I love how the religious love to use the phrase there is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole. Everyone has doubt, atheists may have doubt in what they believe from time to time, but so do religious people. Just because there may be doubt doesn't mean a god exists.

    Even mother Theresa one of the most devout, god "hearing" people in the world had a 5 year period where she didn't believe god existed.

    Atheists aren't hate mongers, there is no need to insult what forces you to doubt what you've blindly believed for all of your life.

    Don't hate appreciate, and think instead of blindly following, otherwise your no better than a Nazi.

  1. Sonny Kumora Says:

    I am one in that 16% and I have always been reluctant to part of an organized group fighting for a set of beliefs (that is what organized religion is and I do not think that atheism is some kind of organized non-religion).

    Having said that, it is sad that not having a voice in the society means that the people with the loudest drums (I mean, think about it, isn't America probably the only country in the world going backward by fighting to replace evolution by creationism?) end up having more influence on public policy. In other words, it will be nice to have a way for intellectuals to resist the crazies without forming a non-religion religion.

  1. Karl Marx Says:

    Religion is the opium of the people.

  1. Cookie Haid Says:

    "deliciously amusing"

    FAG!

  1. Sam Says:

    A couple of points

    1. The number of people who define themselves as non-religious is much larger than the number of people who define themselves as athiest. That is to say that while there are many people who do not follow any organized religion most of those people do not completely reject the idea of religion all together as Maher does.

    From Wikipedia: "A 2005 survey published in Encyclopædia Britannica finds that the non-religious make up about 11.9% of the world's population, and atheists about 2.3%."

    So in other words only 1 out of every 6 people or roughly 15 percent of those who consider themselves to be non-religious are actually athiests.

    2. I hope that Maher's film is as even-handed as you describe and while I'm still on the fence as to whether or not I'll watch it your review definitely made me more interested. I must admit I was highly skeptical about this film primarily because of how uneven Maher's show seemed the few times I've watched it.

  1. M. Andrew Sprong Says:

    It's been done before.

    The twentieth century was filled to the brim with atheist uprisings with profoundly horrible results. The Bolshevik revolution in 1917 kicked off the century, murdering, directly and through incompetence, millions of people. Hitler wasn't much better, and before anyone claims he was even slightly religious, please produce a picture of the monster worshiping anything other than himself. Atheistic revolutions spread throughout the world and all anybody ever got out of it was war, murder, and starvation. What does the self-promoting and pompous Bill Maher think would happen in the USA? Economic unrest is nearly always been the catalysts for this sort of atheistic revolutionary talk, when in reality it is the fault of the atheistic, immoral, and self-serving reprobates in government and business who are responsible for such decline.

    When people are convinced there is no God, what sort of accountability do they have for their actions? Killing another person becomes no different from hunting for sport. Theft is just redistribution of wealth. Euthanasia becomes survival of the fittest. Equality under the law ceases to exist -- completely.

    I'm not making these claims out of thin air -- it already happened. Thus if the perverse and sadly deluded Bill Maher wishes to espouse revolution, he should remember what happened in the last revolutions to outspoken critics of society in last century's revolutions, and pray for something different.

  1. d00d Says:

    Cypher: About invisible pink unicorns and the Easter Bunny? You're right about that. But they're just a plausible.

  1. Gaston Belanger Says:

    Qualifying Creative Quality

    O how I wish there was a real good God
    Helping us survive Earths bacterial sod
    Ministering to all through sweet dreams
    With an encouraging morality that gleams
    Supplying a mortal frame that will not rot
    Having hemoglobin that will not brain clot
    Bones that bend rather than break in a fall
    A body that can endure any reality all in all
    This God won’t condone bacteria’s & viruses
    He would be with us through any bad crises
    The great God would not allow religious wars
    He will not accept humans dying by the scores
    Crime and corruption is not his mental making
    Persons would be real in heart without faking
    A real God needs not churches, clergy & prayer
    If he did it right, we would treat each other fair
    Using truth, beauty, goodness and loving service
    A visible God can keep folks from being nervous
    He must have a working universe administration
    To detour big Meteorites from Earths devastation
    His celestial workers could regulate the Suns heat
    And stop the worlds wobble, keeping the orbit neat
    I’m just a puny fragile skin & bones evolving mortal
    And have the commonsense in seeing a better portal
    Boiling reality down to a usable tangible conception
    We’re that freewill choice person called God in action
    Reality goes at the speed of choice, that be understood
    Quality thoughts will evolve this world into the good
    Shit I wish there was a really good God from everyone
    Helping each other survive by tilling Earths sod for fun
    We could actualize our sweet dreams through ministry
    Our moral code would express a higher creative dynasty
    Happiness and contentment would exemplify good health
    Religions no longer create the poor, we would have wealth
    Fear gossips, deity myths, and stupid superstition expelled
    We Earthlings can enjoy life from good thoughts propelled
    Want bliss? Think about this

    ~Commonsensekid~

  1. I think, therefor I am an Atheist Says:

    I can't wait to see this movie, and that it lets the religious reveal their own idiocy is even better.

    Graphicartist2k5, by your own logic there must be a santa clause, an easter bunny, zeus, thor, batman, superman, and millions of other persona that people claim not to believe in, thank you for astounding me with such evidence. We only have to say atheist because if we were to say humanist, secularist, naturalist or eupraxsophist, idiots like you would look at us with a blank expression. Atheist is a term foisted onto non-believers by the faithful, it is not a term we came up with since the very definition of it means that there is a god whom we reject, but that is not what we believe, atheist's believe there is no proof of god, and the magical man in the sky that you whisper to at night is some one you made up.

  1. Christ Freak Says:


    LOL, what kinda of idiot tries to argue God on an overly biased and athiest board...lol.

    but since I am bored....you who don't believe in God are all going to hell. God is obviously real if you can't see the evidence in creation around you. The earth was made in three days, I know cause I went to the creation research institute a few days ago adn it proves it.

    Bill Maher is just another moral deprived human to prideful to accept there is a greater power in the world. The reason that all of you are so hateful of religion and belief is that you do not truly believe in anything so you are all scared and jealous when some one does find faith and joy in a higher power.

  1. gh0st Says:

    Mr. Sprong...

    To claim the Bolshevic revolution (either of them...you know there were two, right?) was a religious movement is utterly ignorant. Pure and simple. You seem to have absolutely no knowledge of what you are writing about, to put it honestly.

    And if Hitler proved anything, it was how stupid people can be when you frame things in religous terms. While I appreciate the tenuous position you have taken up, your request for "proof" of his religiousness with a picture of him worshipping...um...So, if I get a picture of a jihadist kneeling in a church, that means...huh?? By his own account, the accounts of his peers, and studying him one cannot come to any conclusion other than he was religious. He simply was.

    So, when you want to not lie (either intentionally or through ignorance) please come back and we can have a grown up talk. As of now, while you come across as slightly less-insane than graphicartist, your contribution is equally as silly.

  1. someone447 Says:

    To steal a little something from the late, great George Carlin:
    If there is a god, may he strike graphicartist{audience} dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You!

  1. seriously! Says:

    LOL

    You guys should Google graphicartist2k5. This guy is a serious religious nut job. If anybody wants to have fun this looks like his contact info pulled from deviantART.

    lorin1004@yahoo.com
    AIM GraphArtInDenver

    Have fun!!



    @Christ Freak
    Wouldn't an atheist have to believe in your god before we go to your hell? I don't believe in thousands of other gods and I (nor you) will be going to their hell. And LOL that you believe the creationist museum. That was meant as a joke you know?!?! Hahaa!!

  1. PhiLLy in DaLLaS Says:

    Graphicartist, I'd stick to the graphics because you world views are definitely questionable...I'm an atheist and I don't walk around angry because "I know god is there". Everyone that has met me loves me because I'm a stand-up guy with excellent morals and that is ALL ME, that did not come from any religion or book written thousands of years ago by NAIVE individuals. You wanna defend religion and the bible so bad here's an easy question: Where do dinosaurs fit into the bible?

    Gimme a GOOD answer. LOL

    TOOL!

  1. Mark Says:

    Getting the conversation back to the movie...

    I saw the film last week. I disagree with the reviewer's thought that Maher primarily interviewed "normal, reasonably sane religious people". Indeed, as I was watching, it struck me that Maher seemed to be focusing on interviewing the fairly extreme. Televangelists, ex-gay ministers, and the head of the Creation Museum are not in the mainstream of Christianity. Neither are people who go to Orlando to visit Christian theme parks. They may be mainstream among the far right, but not of the 84% who hold religious beliefs. I kept waiting for him to interview one mainstream theologian who is a believer despite knowing all the evidence against the existence of God, and don't consider a US Senator an acceptable alternative.

    It's worse during the Mormon and Jewish segments. He fails to interview even one active, faithful Mormon, and the two Jews he interviewed were a participant in Iran's anti-Holocaust conference and a guy who spends all his time working on gadgets to circumvent the rules against working on the Sabbath. Real representative of mainstream Judaism there.

    For the record, I'm agnostic, which would put me in the 16%. But I certainly didn't take the film as a call to action. Instead, I saw it as an excuse to insult people who aren't experts in ancient Egyptian mythology. If he had chosen to interview anyone besides tourists and Creationist freaks, I would have been considerably more impressed.

  1. christine Says:

    Philly: Don't poke the bear! Never ask a fundie where dinosaurs fit in the bible! That is what the whole creationist indocrination is about. As a former fundie, I'm guessing they have wonderful examples from Job... that they went extinct t, but walked with humans. Also there is the brand of creationists that believe that dinosaurs came in the "days" before god created man... in that in god's eyes, 1 day could be a million years... hence, who knows how long the "7" days of creation actually lasted. Either way, they'll have plenty of literary references to use from the bible that support the creationist theory... and how dinosaurs fit into the bible.

    You know this right?

    There is no argument you can make, no question you can ask that will change the true believers mind and heart. Been there, done that. There are plenty of better things to do in life than try to argue with a fundamentalist of any religion.
    freeatlast.

  1. Lychee Says:

    Mark,

    Thanks for bringing this back on track. Trolling seems to be an easy target here.

    I have yet to see the movie, and, from what I was reading, I was wondering myself about the credibility of Maher's interviews. Given that he seems to have interviewed a broad spectrum of people, the people he interviewed seem to all have some sort of Biblical backing to them (whether it be New Testament with Jesus Christ, with the Prophet Muhammad and the Koran, or with the Torah and Judaism). From what I read, he did NOT interview the Hindu, Buddhist, Pagan, Scientologist, etc.

    I am an atheist (a conclusion after a few years of Biblical and scientific internal debate), and I find this to discredit his message overall. While I am an atheist, I try to follow the "so long as you're not harming other people" way of life, especially since the majority of people around me are devout Christians.

    Thank you, Mark, again for your input. The initial comment made this seem like an intriguing movie, but if it it's going to be just an "in-you-face" bash over someone's belief, then I'm not entirely for that.

    To go by the Golden Rule of several different religious beliefs and just common sense, "Do unto others what you would do to yourself". I wouldn't want some extremist Christian telling me how I'm going to Hell, and I'm not going to call them a moron because they believe in something, and I don't.

  1. Non-Religious Nutjob Says:

    I've had the misfortune of encountering that sort of religious nutjo - I mean zealot on several occasions. Each time, when he finds out that I'm an Atheist, he decides that he must make it his life's work to brainwas - I mean convert me to his belief system. One argument I try, to get him to stop, is to say, "If I could say a thousand words a minute, for a thousand minutes, hours or, even, days, could I ever say anything that could possibly make you change your mind? If not, what makes you think that you could ever say anything that would change mine?". Of course, it never works, as the nutjo - I mean zealot simply begins to quote scripture at me as if it were some kind of witch's incantation that'll automatically make me a "believer".

    As for graphicartist's argument about why Athiests are so angry, I say that what makes me angry is the thought of all of the pain and death that has been doled out by the zealots in the name of one god or another - from the Egyptians who enslaved just about everyone around them to build their temples to the Crusaders and Inquisitors to the Holocaust to the Jim Jones' and David Koresh's to the nutjobs who flew those planes and all of the ones in between.

    Religion does serve a purpose in this world where the median I.Q. is still in the duh-duh-double digits, if only because of the atrocities that people would commit without the threat of eternal damnation. (Like it or not, people, in general, are still savages). Still, I believe that religion should be treated like Santa Claus - taught to children at an early age to instill morality but, once they've matured a little, they should be sat down and told the truth. "No, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus. There's no Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, god, Loch Ness Monster or Bigfoot, either. It's time to grow up and wear big-girl undies and stop sucking your thumb and believing in fairy tales."

    Then again, what do I know? I'm not smart enough to see the "proof" that's, apparently, all around me.

  1. ya1250 Says:

    if god had created all people he would have taken it upon himself to explain that to all the other religions but nope people still believe what they choose. if there ever was a real god, a decent understanding one, then why i ask did he not stop planes from flying into buildings? i guess hes straight with letting his "children" die. when you tell me god's real name, you know like the other thousand with proper names, then maybe ill have a start to something credible to believe in, but a dude just named "god" haha? I show respect with a MR and MRS or a proper name.....who the f**k is Mr/Mrs God, does that leave the door open to any? can hades be god? odin? allah? your simple use of the word god shows no respect on your part for your religion.

  1. Jared Hyder Says:

    All religions are "Opiates of the masses" 'nuff said

  1. Jared Hyder Says:

    Religigion is "The opiate of the masses" 'nuff said

  1. AnotherRobot Says:

    Wow kids. Graphicartist's you are an epic troll. I tip my hat to you sir. A wag of the finger to all the atheists and agnostics who got trolled here. Really guys? You have nothing better to do than to each respond to graphicartist? The theist posting right after him gave enough of a rebuttal. I suppose though, he did distract you from simply heaping praise on the article, a worthy enough endeavor in itself, I suppose.

  1. Atheist_forever Says:

    How can we prove that GOD doesn't exist?

    I propose to use bottom-up and top-down technique simultaneously, or one after the other.

    One one side, as an Engineer who is used to reverse engineer other design to understand how they really work, study the brain. How us, humans, can do what we do, how can we think, speak, express ideas, acquire convictions, etc. How does this "carbon based computer" does it's "magic".

    One the other side, study the history of the religions. In particular, where does the first book in the Bible comes from. Even convicted Atheist rarely know that Genesis was not written first. For example, "Job" is about one thousand years older than Genesis. Even an Atheist can, if he/she have some time to study, read "Job" and become fascinated to see how older Hebrew people perceived God in very old time.

    Then study where Genesis come from: It comes from older mesopotamian polytheist based histories. These stories are more than 1500 years older than the book of Genesis.

    Another approach is to listen what each religious group have to say against each other.

    When thinking about all this, when discovering how these 100 billions neurones in our brain suffice to explain all we are, there remains little doubt about the non existence of GOD.

    Finally, if you still believe in some "power", don't pretend that it have emotion. Being happy, angry, sad, etc are part of the oldest part of our brain. It is the "primitive instincts" that we share with most mammals and even older animals. If there would be any "power" out there, it would, for sure, not share any of our emorion and feelings.

    Regards,

    Bravo Bill Maher!

  1. Rex Says:

    I saw the movie last night at a sneak preview. It was FANTASTIC!!!!!!!

  1. Guzzi Says:

    I live in Utah and I am not religious, I just hope I will get a chance to see this movie. I will be surprised if it is actually showing at any theatres in this area. If it isn't I plan on calling them all and asking why they are afraid to show a different opinion.

  1. TakeaStand Says:

    Clearly, the reviewer of the movie is in the 16% that Maher is seeking to reach; as it appears that a portion of the respondents are as well.

    I have no intention of trying to "change" your mind over the internet as I have yet to see anyone change their position from a forum post. I will say that on both sides people speak rudely to one another since it is the internet and impersonal. I would hope that many of you would not talk like this if you were face to face, but show a little more respect for the other person.

    I am clearly in disagreement to Mr. Maher and see him no different then many here see those that believe; a person that without facts dogmatically holds on to his belief.

    The bottom line is faith. I have faith there is a God and trust in Jesus as my Savior. Some here have faith that there is no god, and there is no salvation. Both positions require faith in what we believe and faith even when we really cannot absolutely prove our position.

    I do have one thing I would like to think about here though. Again, I know this will not likely change any position but maybe someone has not thought about this aspect.

    Here it is. I would ask that you think of something that doe snot exist. No, I do not mean a cure for cancer, because cancer does exist and cures do exist (maybe not for cancer but cues for other things).

    I personally believe that you cannot think of anything that does not already exist in some form or a derivative of it exists.

    If this is true, then where did the concept of god come from? If there is no god then who would have ever thought about there being one? Of course I do believe God exists and so derivative thoughts of Him come about in the form of other beliefs.

    Anyway, no arguing here as it amounts to nothing in the end.

  1. mike lewis Says:

    21st century Socrates. Socrates brought his dialogue participants to a sense of doubt, and, always, with his unique style of irony, reminded them that he knew nothing himself.

  1. Raffello Says:

    WOW! It's a sad thing to see so many people here will end up in HELL with Bill Marr for eternity. Jesus gives you a free gift and you turn it down! Do you think you are here on earth for yourself , come on. God created you for his love, enjoyment and worship, not yours.

    And why would you not believe in God and Heaven as he promises eternity in a much better place than this, I'm ready for a new , better , greater place, as the few years we have in this world has nothing much to offer anymore anyway.

    Why did so many prophecies come true (about the world) and still are that the Bible predicted. It also talks about all the things that are happening right now in the world, pretty factual fairy tale ?

    God gives you a free will and you can chose to have a personal relationship with him or not, and many of you here have God tugging at your heart not matter if you want to admit it or not.

    Sorry GOD exit's and GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL!!!

  1. DR Says:

    I think that, that original post by graphicartist2k5 is so absurd that someone must have made it up in order to spark the debate that has already occurred. I don't believe that graphicartist2k5 actually exists. So I must be a graphicartist2k5 agnostic.

  1. mumsgrumbler Says:

    TakeAStand

    If no one could ever think of something that does not already exist then how on earth could anything man made ever have been created? How did every author write their book if they cannot create characters? How did every artist create their art if they cannot imagine an image? How did Rock and Roll come into existance? Where did the axel and wheel come from? How about languages? How about peanut butter?

    Here is something that does not exist... a cold fire.
    Here is something else, a word that rhymes with purple...
    Not only does it not exist, but like a god I will bring it into existence right now...
    paliphilurple... it means scrutipilufrious.

    Yes, HAVE FAITH.... humans can create! And they do a much better job of it than your god.









    ps... I made up scrutipilufrious too!

  1. question Says:

    @TakeaStand

    I applaud you on your civilized conversation. Being an atheist, I would gladly have a well-mannered debated with you in real life. However since that will never happen I just wanted to throw my thoughts out on your origin of god.

    Take for example creationism. Creationist would argue that the human is far too complex a creature to simply evolve from goo. I would compare that to the origin of the current god we all know about. Both contain very complex behaviors and a clouded origin, to compare similar attributes. So what we see today is the end result of how humans evolved and the same holds true for how the notion or idea of god evolved.

    Of course nobody knows exactly how current religion started, but I would suspect many would argue that early humans couldn't explain much of anything, how fire worked, or what caused earthquakes, lightning, sickness, etc. Whatever couldn't be explained was ultimately explained with superstitious reasons in some form or another. From there a logical step would be if one (or a small group) person in a tribe or village could somehow "control" these superstitious elements of nature than that person would be of high value in their society. If this person wanted the people to do something like sacrifice an animal or perform a certain routine then they would happily oblige to maintain good health or a plentiful harvest. As these people gained power they could take advantage of human’s natural fear of the unknown. The great question (for some) is what happens in the afterlife? Well if you want to be rewarded you must live a good life now. This would only further increase the power of the few over the feared masses since they would be the only ones that could guide the living for a plentiful afterlife.

    As time went on it’s only a natural progression to add things to religion to make it applicable to everyone's current time and location. Thus as a result moral stories and examples were passed down throughout the years. Humans like to organize and it wasn't long I'm sure before all these things wound up in the ultimate power of the day, the Bible, Koran, etc.

    It's always been about control though. It's gone from a system of explaining how the most basic things in nature work to what happens in the afterlife. Of course now a days we (most) start to dismiss some things from the past because we know better. We know how germs and bacteria work. Things that people in older times couldn't even imagine existed. ;)

    I think we're in a transitional period in human evolution. We've only had electricity for a bit over a hundred years and we've discovered so much about our world and our place in the universe. Yet there's still tons more we don't know. We don't fully understand how gravity or magnetism works. (Of course we can predict it and explain what it is, but we don't really know how it does what it does.) One day we'll be able to create artificial intelligence in a robot. We'll be able to cure all diseases, wipe out hunger. The list goes on. What seemed impossible by the top minds 50 years ago is a reality today. That trend will only continue hundreds and thousands of years into the future. My point is things like these will continue to take explanations out of the superstitious realm and into the science realm. As that happens god will slowly be replaced with logical explanations for everything.

    As an example, instead of today when a person miraculously recovers from a head injury and proceeds to thank god. In the future they would thank the medical staff that actually saved their life. Future humans would see a problem and be able to fix it when hundreds or thousands years in the past it would have left that same person a vegetable or dead.

    To sum up it goes back to my point above, today's unknown things will slowly be turned into understood processes and scientific reasoning. Eventually god will be a novelty, much in the same way we look back at the Egyptians and their massive structures to immortality.

    I'm done with my ramblings! LOL

  1. Mallan Says:

    Wait, where does he get the 16 percent figure? I mean, last I heard, according to a Gallop poll, 90% percent of Americans believe in God. Granted, that poll I read about was five plus years old, but considering there's, what 350 million people in the U.S., that four percent would represent a lot of folks.

    Granted, there's no way any poll could interview every person, but still, I'd be curious what source he sites for that figure.

  1. TakeaStand Says:

    mumsgrumbler, you did not read with understanding.

    Everything you listed indeed does exist. Cold exists, fire exists, rhymes exists, objects that spark painting, books, etc, all exist; even peanuts.

    Try again to think of something that has never been thought of and does not exist.

    Please, take an honest step back and think about it and then consider if there is no god, never has been a god, and never will be a god; then where did the concept of God come from?

    Here is what I believe is true, and yes I believe it by faith.

    Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation, for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can't see-- such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him. He existed before anything else, and he holds all creation together. Colossians 1:15-17

  1. ms yellow Says:

    god or no god, we should have the willingness to say what we say, believe wat we believe and do wat we do.... but its when you begin to judge, to talk down to, and leave out others that pisses me off about religious people..... i mean, fuk... if u do believe in god (which i sure dont), dont stop your life and waste most of your time worshipping what u cant see... and at that... abandoning your friends and loved ones, because they dont believe the same... (that happened to me, my ex-friend told me she didnt want to speak with me anymore because god told her not to in her dream) that is why i hate religion. it turns u into a stranger and stands up your robotic spirit... fuck that. i love thinking for myself... dont you???

    =) ima c this movie. hope ya do too

    p.s. dont hate the man for making a (well i dont wanna say anti but) anti-god movie.. there are so many pro-god movies... give yourselves a rest dammit

  1. decent Says:

    i'm an agnostic and i still think bill maher is ignorant and an idiot. he's a total hypocrite and probably a christian who sold his soul to the devil and just uses this liberal propaganda bullshit to make money off of blindly leftist college students.

  1. TakeaStand Says:

    question, thanks for the reply and I too would appreciate a chance to talk about our respective faiths.

    To be sure I wholeheartedly believe what the Bible says to be true. Just as you believe mindless, purposeless, random chance made all that we see; that surly appears to have design and purpose to it.

    I think to create a story is very creative, but is not this what you are saying you cannot trust in the Bible? A story that you perceive is not true and thus to you is not true.

    It would be great to sit down and honestly consider things like emotion, creativity, purpose, meaning, and music and arts. To try to talk where such concepts would come from in evolution, random selection and a universe that has no meaning. From my vantage point I can easily account for all these things and more in a God who expresses creativity, meaning, purpose, value, emotion and yes absolute intellect.

    I am a person that until my late 20's I never went to church, did not believe in anything and knew nothing of God or religion for that matter. And yet, I could be hanging out with my friends and still feel lonely; think there must be more than this, but have no answers.

    To make a long story short...

    I literally smuggled a Bible into my room (Did not want my family to think I was nut after all) and read it and honestly realized that what I knew already inside that I was a sinful person and I really did need a Savior. I was all alone and simply knelt beside my bed and asked Christ to forgive me and lead my life.

    It was like a moment when the blinders are taken off and you can see for the first time clearly. I have never looked back and I know without a doubt that I am forgiven and will be in heaven one day.

    Yes it takes faith, but all belief takes faith. What really matters is the object of your faith not the simple fact of having faith. Faith must have a substance.

    Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1

    I know some will likely poke fun at what I just wrote and that is fine, as it alters nothing.

    Thanks for taking the time to write and for reading.

  1. hevusa Says:

    Sometimes I think Bill Maher and I share the same brain! For years I have been challenging religious people on a debate site called DefendingTheTruth.com, where I am one of the moderators. The previews have been shocking me as finally I hear someone who has the balls to stand up for truth and honesty in regards to God. On the site I have said the only honest answer in regards to God is "I don't know". I believe this type of honesty will be necessary in the future if the world wants peace, prosperity and unity. The world could certainly use more "spiritual honesty" as I call it.

  1. Mohammad Says:

    Allah Akbar!

    AH AH AH AH

  1. joe Says:

    I do have one issue with the review. The author states that, "Maher doesn’t ambush any of these people, and I think that’s the key to why Religulous works. " In fact Maher did ambush them. Maher himself admitted that the crew approached the people in this film, telling them it was called "A Spiritual Journey". It wasn't until the very last moment that Maher came on and did in fact ambush them. I would, in fact, have more respect if Maher had balanced his presentation with those who are expert theologians or skilled in defending the faith. Think about it, if I had created a movie trying to prove the sun revolved around the earth and the only people I asked were "average joes" who believed the fact but couldn't explain why, the same people who are applauding Maher here would have criticized me for not interviewing people in the scientific community who could explain why the earth revolves around the sun. Sorry, but you can't applaud an underhanded tactic when it's used for your side but criticize it when that same tactic is used against you. Need a real world example? Ben Stein's "Expelled". He admittedly used the same tactics to get the dissenters to talk to him, but at least he presented their side, which is more than I can say of Maher. Sorry, Maher, you fail.

  1. Mark Says:

    @TakeaStand

    I appreciate your reasonable tone because it's all too rare from believers in my experience.

    To quote your post:

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    [ Here it is. I would ask that you think of something that doe snot exist. No, I do not mean a cure for cancer, because cancer does exist and cures do exist (maybe not for cancer but cues for other things).

    I personally believe that you cannot think of anything that does not already exist in some form or a derivative of it exists.

    If this is true, then where did the concept of god come from? If there is no god then who would have ever thought about there being one? Of course I do believe God exists and so derivative thoughts of Him come about in the form of other beliefs. ]
    -------------------

    Your argument is that since we can understand the concept of a god then that means that god must exist in actuality. You then place a requirement on any refutation by suggesting that citing examples of understood but non-existent concepts won't serve to refute your argument unless they have no derivative (or, I assume, analogous or antithetical) related concepts. You wouldn't accept as refutation a unicorn as an e